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Real Conversations with Imaginary People

Welcome to Project Woo Woo where comedian/yogi Lisa Orkin pretends to interview her favorite people from the world of self-help, spirituality, wellness, literature, and philosophy dead or alive with the help of showbiz friends who just happen to be world-class actors and comedians.

Feb 5, 2019

Who is Tim Rutili:

Temistocles (Tim) Hugo Rutili is a Leo raised in Chicago and surrounding suburbs. Presently living in South Pasadena. Musician, filmmaker, visual artist. Founder and principal songwriter of critically acclaimed bands, Califone and Red Meat. Also a member of Boxhead Ensemble, Ugly Casanova.

Favorite Career Highlight:

Premiering my first feature film as a director/writer, 'All My Friends Are Funeral Singers' at Sundance was a highlight. Touring Italy a few summers ago with my old bandmates/best friends was another. Lovely times.


What Tim learned about Moses:

I can relate to the character more than I'd like to - long, dangerous journeys, battles, bizarre demands from a powerful and sometimes spiteful God, and the kicker -- Being denied entry into the promised land by that same God (for a minor infraction!!!). There's a really excellent book called 'Moses, a life' by Jonathan Kirsch. Doing this podcast made me start reading this book again. I began to see Moses, this mythical being who gave us law and structure, as a good, strong, humble and also kind of insane, murderous and cruel. I saw God as much the same - jealous, petty, all-powerful, deeply loving and deeply hating. And all of us humans are the same. we carry everything in us - the capability to murder and the capability to love. God and this world are rarely exactly what we want them to be. We have to accept that and work with that in order to experience our moments of joy and peace. it may only be moments, and the end of the story may not justify the journey. I guess we have to be ok with that. It is all horrible and beautiful and hilarious and tragic all at the same time. I had a great time doing the podcast. Thanks Lisa!


Who is Moses:

Hebrew prophet, teacher, and leader who, in the 13th-century BCE (before the Common Era, or bc), delivered his people from Egyptian slavery. ... Sinai, where the Ten Commandments were promulgated, he founded the religious ...(more)


Special Notes:

Tim has an amazing song about Moses... Link!

Thank you, Kelly June Hutcheson, for the wonderful Moses song that closed this episode. You can also find Kelly on Instagram


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